Sunday, 5 July 2015

Dummy school or not?

Many of you ask me questions regarding joining a dummy school and so I decided to dedicated a post to this subject.
I will in detail mention my own experience and that should assist you to decide whether to join a dummy school or not.

Here is a link to the video

I was the student of Dr. Virendra Swarup Education Center (ICSE Board) from class 6th to 10. Dr. VSEC is arguably the best school in Kanpur. 75 of us out of 150 scored above 90% in class 10th - the best in the city.
I had initially planned to leave the school after class 10th for JEE preparation. However, 4 days before my board exams began, my (real) sister's marriage was scheduled and so, my parents weren't able to focus at all on my future planning (coaching, school, etc) and so, the only option I had was to join FIITJEE (which was newly opened in Kanpur) and continue with the previous school.
I went to talk to a couple of schools to allow me to join the school without attending. However, all I had was my class 10th pre-boards marksheet - 80.83%. That was the highest in all 4 sections (yes, we have very rigid marking in the internal examinations), but still, I could not convince them that I was the topper. Seeing just 80%, all of them denied admission.
However, finally when board exams results were announced, I managed to top the school again (97.4%) and this time the same schools were all ready to take me. However, they demanded that I must attend the school at least 2-3 times a week, for which I was not ready and so, I decided to continue with Dr. VSEC (along with FIITJEE).
Most of my friends joined Kakadev coaching (which is a huge coaching hub in Kanpur). Even I was told to join Kakadev coaching, but seeing the amount of crowd (1200 students per batch), I decided to join FIITJEE rather (30 students per batch).
In school, I had to face enormous pressure. The teachers knew me (because I was school topper) and so, they had expectations from me. They expected me to attend the classes regularly, which was very difficult for me because I had to go to coaching in the summer heat, which was 10 kms from my home. Moreover, Kakadev coaching was teaching the students well in advance and so, they knew several topics which I was unaware of. So, when I used to ask questions in class, they used to make fun of me - "Aur FIITJEE jao, board exams top kar ke ud rahe hai".
I least cared about what they said. However, this wasn't the end. I used to ask questions in class (out of curiosity) and the chemistry teacher failed to answer them. So, a complain to the principal madam was done saying that I ask too many "rubbish" questions in the class and waste the time of the class.
This really made me irritated and I finally decided to leave the school. A close friend suggested me a dummy school. The next day I went to that school with my father and seeing my 10th class score, they immediately completed the admission formalities and agreed on my terms.
My father went to VSEC to get a TC (transfer certificate) and migration certificate. After too much of haggling and listening to principal madam's sarcastic comments, he was given both of them.
In the words or principal madam - "Goel sahab, mai jis bachche pe haath rakh deti hu, uska IIT me selection ho jaata hai."
However, this time my father really supported me a lot and he silently listened to those sarcastic remarks of principal madam. I really thank him for being so supportive.
However, trouble had no end. Another problem was yet to come to my home - my class 10th class teacher. She brought some random IIT Delhi guy (who was doing some management course at IIT Delhi) at my home to convince me that it would be disastrous for me if I leave school.
Since I was too close to her, she came personally at my home to meet my parents with that guy.
I did not know then that IITs have management courses as well and so I doubted that he was an IITian.
Anyway, she was successful in convincing my parents that I should not leave school else I will be doomed.
In her own words - "Aman, you have to get 90% in class 12th, otherwise they won't allow you to sit for IIT exam". The guy beside her nodded in agreement.
However, at that time the new JEE pattern wasn't announced and the only criteria to be eligible for JEE was to get 60% marks in +2 exams and so I really did not trust her. However, since I respected her a lot, I did not say a word to her and silently agreed.
In her words again (to my parents) - "bachcha hai, abhi samajhta nahi hai, life barbaad kar lega apni, aap hi ise samjhaiye".
Things were really going against me because my parents really were convinced by the words of my teacher.
Again in the words of ma'am - "Aman, we were told that you will be the school vice captain for the next session, and you will rule the school".
Me - "Ma'am, I don't want to rule the school."
She (to my parents) - "ise 80,000 per year ki scholarship dilwa denge, wahi jo akhil ko mili hai, aapka load bhi nahi hoga and iski 4 saal ki padhai ki kharcha bhi nikal jayega easily".
With all her energy, she managed to convince my parents and my parents were almost firing against me for my "childish" decision.
However, I was really passionate for a top 100 rank in JEE. From the day one, I wanted a 2 digit rank. I remember my friend's brother got AIR 125 in JEE 2010 and I told him the same day - "Abhishek bhaiya se achi rank layenge hum dono."
Things were going completely against me when something good happened. My mother told ma'am to give me 2 days to make an informed decision. YES! This was really really useful for me!
Ma'am could do nothing, but agree and she left.
After she left, my parents fired on me and tried hard to explain me that I might be on the wrong path.
However, I knew my academic potential, I was very confident of my own self.

I will mention a part of my conversation with my parents :

Mom - tujhe abhi itni akal nahi hai, madam ne kai bachcho ko dekha hai successful hote hue, tu unki baat maan
Me - nahi sun raha kisi cost pe kisi ki baat, mai school nahi continue karunga.
Me - agar meri baat nahi maani gayi, to mai padhai likhai karna band kar dunga, kar lo jo karna hai aap log (this was a really bold statement, but I was in my senses and I knew what I was saying and to whom I was saying)

Listening to that statement, my parents had nothing to say. All they could do is simply follow what I said.
The next day my mother called ma'am and told her that I am not ready to listen and so, I cannot continue the school any more.

Finally, I continued FIITJEE + a CBSE based dummy school.

Why a switch from ICSE to CBSE ?
Well, almost all competitive examinations (be it engineering or medical or commerce), essentially follow CBSE curriculum. Moreover, ICSE English is too hard - Shakespearean stuff, which I felt was useless in life, random poems (I hate literature) and long long stories.

CBSE was relatively easy. I took Physics, Chemistry, Maths, English, Hindi and Physical Education as the 6 subjects.
Why 6 subjects?
Well it was compulsory to take 6 subjects in my new school.

Why not Computers?
Well, I initially took computers, but later changed it to Hindi because I feared that CS might need a good chunk of my time. Also, I was taught a great deal of programming till class 10th. I knew object oriented programming by the end of class 10th (check ICSE syllabus if you doubt my words) and so, I really thought that taking computers will consume time.

Why Hindi and not something else?
Well, the school was too lame to offer more subjects. I had scored 94/100 in Hindi in class 10th without much effort and so, I thought it would be easy. Moreover, my mother could also help me with Hindi (thanks to her that I scored 78/100 in Hindi in class 12th, else I would have failed :P )

How was the dummy school experience?
Well it was dangerous :P
I used to make notes in an executive diary. It was such a village type school that the batchmates were amazed to see an executive diary.
Anyway, I and my friend both joined the school together and so, we used to go together when needed. Moreover, we became friends with a few people. One of them helped us keeping updated with school events and examinations.
Since we had bribed the school, they also used to call me and inform me of the exams (LOL :P)

Did I appear for the exams?
Well the school as I said was lame.
Class 12th preboards - gave Physics, chemistry and maths exams. 3 more were left.
My friend and I met at the usual place (we used to go to school by public transport - 12 kms away). It was too cold - December time, freezing cold, temperature approaching 0 degrees in Kanpur.
Me - yaar bohot thand hai
He - ha yaar jaana to padega hi
Me - agar na jaye to kya ukhaad lenge?
He - hmm
Me - abey ditch na, ghar chal, kuch na kar paye ye log
He - pagal hai kya?
Me - chal ghar chal chup chap
And we both went back home :P
Result: scored 43% (based on PCM score only :P) and ranked 3rd (friend was 2nd :/)

What about practicals etc?
Well, the guy whom we became friends with, gave us physics and chemistry practical notebook. 1 day and we copied all of it :P
Of course, we knew all the concepts and so, nothing wrong in copying (come on, be practical :P)

Physical education?
Well, they asked us to make a project on a particular sport. I was a huge fan of cricket and so opened wikipedia and copied the summary of all IPL events :P

Physical education practical?
Ahh, that was horrible. They made us do sit-ups, push-ups, and what not.
But something amazing happened. There was also an event of short put throwing. I don't know how, I managed to threw it the farthest :P
All my batch mates, who were super strong people were stunned!
Aman rocked, class mates shocked B-)

What about board exam preparation?
Well, I have written a post on that, please search it in the "all posts" section.

What was my reaction when JEE Main system was announced?
Aha! Now that's a good question. Well, by the time the system came, I had performed relatively well in a few tests of FIITJEE (scoring center rank 1 inspite of getting 153/240). Never mind, parents were happy and so they did not bother me ever for my studies throughout my JEE preparation and so, they did not doubt me about this new system as well.
I always used to assure them that I will manage to be in the top 20 percentile and most of the time, they used to be convinced (except a few times when the aunty next door used to confuse her :/)

Did my temperament change when I heard about the new system?
Not at all. being in the 20 percentile was a piece of cake - and I knew that. I had immense faith in my own self. I was very confident about myself. I rarely trust anyone except my own self (and few others) :P

What to do now? Dummy or not?
Well, I leave that up to you. No one supported me. I was alone and my parents + teachers were against me, but my self confidence helped me to convince all of them. I really have no advice for you all here. I told my story in detail. Now you should decide what suits you. You may show this to your parents to convince them if you want. However, "no advice from my side". So, please do not comment below asking if you should join dummy school or not. Just imagine - when my parents, who were so close to me did not know my potential at that time, how do I know about you ?

Interesting ending -
What happened to the class teacher?
Well, she never picked up my phone when I called her after JEE results were declared.
That's not all.
I went to school to distribute sweets to teachers (of course most of them loved me and were very happy on my success and I am in contact with most of them), principal madam told a peon to tell me and my father that she is ill and so she can't meet us.
Aha, there is more to it.
We both could see that she was chilling in her cabin as usual (I knew everything about the school and went around her office to see her from her office's window :P)
More more interesting stuff! Don't run, read on.
Summer 2014. I went to my sister's home to drop her. As I was driving, I saw my class 10th class teacher. I stopped the car, did a namste respectfully and told her to wait a minute, I will park the car aside and come back. She agreed with a smile.
I came back and boom! Magic!! She vanished!
Ok aman, end this long article now.
Arey wait!
There is more interesting stuff.
She met my mother recently in a mall and silently bent her head and went away after making a moment eye contact with my mom :P

I really do not want to criticize anyone with the sarcasm in this article.
I want to highlight a few points:

  • Parents must trust their children. I understand that today's generation is particularly spoiled, but parents must give a chance to students. I understand a parent's concern and I understand that they want our best. But, they must give a chance if they do not have a knowledge here. My parents did not even know the full form of JEE. They had least idea of IITs, engineering or anything. My father is a businessman and mother is a housewife. I do not belong to some highly educated or qualified family. I know that same is the case with most of the parents in India and so, I request the parents to give a chance to your children.
  • Self confidence is the key to success. You should learn to stand by your decisions. You should make wise and informed decisions and stand by them, no matter what.
  • Teachers can at times fool you. Yes, the school authorities just want board exam results and so, they will focus primarily (or solely) on that. No one in school cares about your IIT result. All they want is a large fraction of students who score 95% in board exams.
  • Do not be sentimentally attached to school. Life is indeed a race and if you don't run fast, you will be like a broken egg (3 idiots :P). Learn to move ahead. A few of my friends who had great potential to do well but who did not leave school because they were sentimentally attached to school, could not do well in JEE. Understand that if not after 10th, you will anyway have to leave school after 12th.
  • Do not get attached sentimentally to school friends. Yes, that might be offensive for many of you. But note that this is my own opinion. I am not enforcing anything on you. I am just presenting my own opinion and if you find it offensive, skip this point and read relevant stuff. Now why did I say that? Well, remember the people who said to me - "Aur FIITJEE jao". That guy somehow arranged my contact number and called my up after JEE to ask - "Yaar 1 saal FIITJEE join kar lenge to IIT me ho jayega?". Note that there were 3 of them and I am glad to say that 1 of them managed to get a rank in JEE 2014 (yes, I am really glad - no hatred, what he said was just to make fun)
To make this post interesting and to show you how people change, here is something for you:

I hope this long post gives you some motivation and helps you to decide if you should join a dummy school or not.

One more thing. Many of you ask me: "bhaiya, please tell me so and so"
Me: "its there on blog"
You: "I did not find it"
Me: "Check comments on so and so post"
You: "I still did not get it"

Well, note that I cannot help here. I cannot answer same questions again and again. Since YOU post wrong comments on wrong posts (asking about board exams in an olympiad based post), its your responsibility to scroll through the comments and search it.
My job is to help you by writing articles. Its your job to do the rest, I hope you will agree :)


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  2. Hi,
    Nice motivating post.
    Shows that we must have faith in our self.
    Please can you provide translations so that it caters to a wide audience.

    PS: What would you do (during prep)if you are stuck up/unable to solve a sum?

  3. Hi,
    Nice motivating post.
    Shows that we must have faith in our self.
    Please can you provide translations so that it caters to a wide audience.

    PS: What would you do (during prep)if you are stuck up/unable to solve a sum?

  4. dude!!!
    this is one hell of a post!!!
    Finally u moved on from that nerdy crap and wrote a post that I actually enjoyed!
    keep up the good work bro...

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  6. Nice post . very helpul during my stressful days of taking this decission. Today I am going for my daughter's admission and first thing in the morning I got this post , you can not imagine my level of relief. God bless you.

  7. Wat a post .i just cud not take my eyes of it for a second while reading it.gRrrrt.

  8. in physics which book should I prefer for reading theory or understanding the chapter
    1. hc verma
    2. resonance material
    3.aakash material
    4.narayana material
    in maths which should be the book for reading theory or understanding the chapter
    1. rd sharma( objective)
    2.resonance material
    3.aakash material
    5. narayana material
    in chemistry what should be the book for reading theory or understanding the chapter
    1.JD Lee ( inorganic)
    2. Solomons and frhyle(organic)
    3. ncert
    4.resonance material
    5. aakash material
    6. narayana material
    Aman bhai please reply soon.
    I am preparing for jee with self study.

  9. Replies
    1. Dear abhishek, I am glad to see your curiosity about JEE preparation, but kindly go through the posts on the blog.
      You will find almost all your answers.
      Also, avoid posting an unrelated comment on a particular post.
      Its always better to post your comment on an associated post

  10. Haha, amazing post(i suggest you post it on quora)
    Btw, sometimes i think 'ki kya maza aata hai in school teachero ko hum bacho ko tang karke"
    Everybody knows nothing happens in school, it is just where to waste our time.
    You have rightly said that having immense self confidence within oneself is very important (but not over confidence :p)
    Who knows had you not been so bold having that confidence within you, you could not have been where you are today.
    Kudos to you.

  11. very good post brother....
    wish i could have got this golden piece of information when i was in 10th!!!
    now i feel so stupid to have joined fiitjee integrated.. we almost have school everyday... and most of my time gets wasted... i`m giving my jee in 2016...

  12. very good post brother....
    wish i could have got this golden piece of information when i was in 10th!!!
    now i feel so stupid to have joined fiitjee integrated.. we almost have school everyday... and most of my time gets wasted... i`m giving my jee in 2016...

  13. very good post brother....
    wish i could have got this golden piece of information when i was in 10th!!!
    now i feel so stupid to have joined fiitjee integrated.. we almost have school everyday... and most of my time gets wasted... i`m giving my jee in 2016...

  14. Thanks Aman bhai next time I will post questions on appropriate blog . I have read all your blogs and almost daily I read them for motivation. You are no less than a social worker. Hats off to you

  15. its only you Aman bhai that I can get tips or get my questions answered. I have no elder brother but I consider you my elder brother.

  16. from next time I would post questions on appropriate place this time please answer my question which you did not answer. I have read all your posts

  17. No words for this post! It's just too fantastic! (PS:Thanks you seem to have incorporated my suggestions through this post, really thankful!)

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  19. You have no idea how much I wish you'd posted this one and a half years ago. School wastes so much time and my FIITJEE centre takes almost one and a half hour to reach (I live in Delhi)
    Great post tho :)
    -JEE 2016 aspirant

  20. loved your melodrama gone word by word could relate to it , for two reason i have taught in the school, and also from kanpur, today i stumbled on your site, ever since going it page by page

    best wishes

  21. Hello aman,
    Love ur posts especially this
    U r an amazing blogger and idol for many aspirants, great work!!
    May i ask ur fiitjee's aits marks? Are they really tougher than advanced paper or not or is just hype as both these paper uses ur concepts in the subject.

    1. Well, FIITJEE AITS marks varied a great deal.
      However, percentile used to be around 99.7 - 99.9
      Yes, they are way above JEE level.
      Sometimes, they ask meaningless questions, which are meant simply to make a hype and have no relevance in JEE

  22. Hello!
    Can you tell me whether you used to prepare for internal exams of your dummy School ?

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  25. Hello Aman,
    Sahil(Rahul) here !!!
    I will be highly obliged if AIR 33 Would guide me.
    Bhaiya my father isn't convinced withe the fact of joining a dummy school even after knowing that I have a good Potential.(I think myself a bit confused always).Though my mom is convinced but my father want someone experienced to clear him all his doubts as he think that with only JEE Preparation one might lose focus on board.And the same reason he isn't allowing me to join non attending school.
    Bhaiyya I can say that I can be under 100 only If given such environment.
    I request you to guide me indirectly to convince my father.
    Please help bhaiyya
    You are the only best available experienced guide.
    Present Fiitjee east Delhi student

  26. hey even i m from kanpur. and i left vsec kidwai nagar after my 10th. n now i want to joun a dummy school. but ny mum is just revolting cause some teachers had filled the thougjt that joining dummy school will lower my board percentage because the rating of (dayanand dhinanath acadamy) is low. (is this weird stuff true?) please tell.

    1. Suffering from the same cause.
      Aman bhai plz give us a solution to our problems.

  27. Bhaiya please tell me which is better according to you fiitjee pinnacle 2 year school integrated program or 2 year classroom program fiitjee with dummy school. I will be appearing for JEE in 2018 and there are lot many possibilities that in JEE 2018 board marks will not be included in JEE main.i want to achieve a top 100 rank in JEE advanced 2018

  28. Bhaiya please tell me which is better according to you fiitjee pinnacle 2 year school integrated program or 2 year classroom program fiitjee with dummy school. I will be appearing for JEE in 2018 and there are lot many possibilities that in JEE 2018 board marks will not be included in JEE main.i want to achieve a top 100 rank in JEE advanced 2018

    1. I didn't try both! No use asking me to compare things when I haven't seen both!

  29. Aman had you joined MAN**** Public School (Don't want to publicise them).
    Hey I have recently qualified for 90% Fee Waiver for FIITJEE and am joining it.I am seriously passionate for IIT/IISc and thus want to know all the dummy schools in kanpur.I belong to Kanpur!(you can just write their initials if you want, I can understand it)

  30. In cbse dummy schools how do students manage practicals?(Am interested in joining 1)

  31. I mean u wrote that u had to just copy from the file but did u attend any practical classes?

  32. Simply awesome and very inspiring...

  33. I personally disagree with this approach, though do not wish to condemn you for taking it. You can read up all the chemistry you want, but can't really understand it without doing the tests in the lab. Lab experience is very important for a deep understanding of subjects like physics and chemistry, which you would miss out on the lecture and exam-oriented methodology of coaching institutes.

    Anyway, glad you made decisions on your own- that's something that everyone can learn from.

  34. The issue that you raised in your blog is really very serious, and most of people lose the quality and integrity of such subjects, when they try to pen it down. But, your job is well done.

    start school

  35. Is it possible to get admission in a dummy school in class 12? I'm doing my class 11 from a regular school (CBSE board)

  36. Aman, are school integrated programs of coaching centers like fitjee and vmc like dummy school with coaching?

  37. You compared icse and cbse and chose cbse for appropriate reasons but why not up board and dummy school could have been easier to get than a dummy cbse school -bimlesh kumar

  38. As you struglled to get cbse dummy and pre board is also tough but dummy up board could have been even more lenient so why not state board say up board in ur case was searched and chosen

  39. How is mother Teresa school, kidwai nagar .Is it supportive for jee preparation

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  42. Dear Rishikesh, do not expect an answer for this question. IIT students have lesser idea than what you have about such things. JEE office is an independent body that is in no way managed by IIT students. Please find it out yourself. No IITian can help you here.

    All the best

  43. I understand that but please do try if anytime you get something about this topic please reply.

  44. aman another thing is that when i comment something on blog first time it appears all right but when i open blog again then it disappears that's why i have to comment it again and again.Suggest some solution for this problem.As it feels haunting when you type something so big and it disappers.

  45. aman during your registration for jee advanced did you submitted your class 12 marksheet.

  46. Aman bhaiya i am in class 9th and i am giving my fiitjee entrance exam ..its on 25 Dec..I study in Mercy memorial (ICSE)..I wanna ask tht should i join Fiitjee from 10th?And would my marks would be affected in 10th...I have full confidence in my self and i got 81.60,9th rank in 8th and always i end up in getting 80 percent or 82 not more than 82 ...Plz clear my doubt ..if i should join Fiitjee in 10 or 11...I would be really grateful to u !!!

  47. I am disappointed tht u didnt replied to my ques๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿ˜ข??

  48. Aman goel,can you share the name of the dummy school,detailed location and phone number here.will be usefull for me to join as im also an IIT-JEE aspirant

  49. Sir i am not good at hindi will computer science be burden

  50. thanks bhaiya
    it helped me to get motivated for choosing what i want to.
    It was the best article i had got after almost half an hour

  51. Hlw Bhaiya first of all whole hearted congratulations to u for ur grand successeven I wanna ask you is there anything like loss or benefit by choosing dummy school like if I chose a state board dummy school wouldn't it affect my jee results oh sorry I didn't introduce myself to u I am a student of class 10 who is going to appear 10 board cbse this year

  52. Bhaiya what you wrote in this blog is absolutely correct even I face the same problem

  53. Bhaiya I am a student of resonance coaching institute and as u said study material of resonance is good for 3-digit rank but I wanna secure a 2-digit Bhaiya can I somehow get fiitjee study material for preparation I know u are not a part of administrative system of fitjee but can you tell me how can I get fitjee study material
    Bhaiya even you managed to get resonance study material in the same way can I get it somewhere online or at its study centre can u name the study material

  54. Is fiitjee GMP necessary??? Cant we take that of other institutes???

  55. A very useful post indeed. All the points are explained clearly & understandable. Great source of information about practical way of teaching mathematics.
    Thanks for sharing!

  56. useful and informative post. a great help to make a decision

  57. I am In 10 and I want to become a software engineer. I am a boarder and i am not able to study. I get good marks but I don't like to be a boarder.Now I can't leave school its july and I am not sure weather to do Dummy or continue schooling. PLEASE HELP

  58. Were you in CM batch of fiitjee kanpur?

  59. it was quite hectic to read all this, but when i tried so hard i found it interesting and it=ts really good content i found here..... keep posting...

  60. Your blog is motivational .Aman it well help more student to motivate great work!!

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