Saturday, 21 September 2013

Preparation for other exams

There are a variety of competitive exams besides JEE advanced. Some common ones being KVPY, JEE main, national standard examination in physics (NSEP),  national standard examination in chemistry(NSEC) , Indian national physics olympiad(INPhO) , Indian national chemistry olympiad(INChO) , BITsat, and state entrance exams.
Except olympiads, the other exams can be easily cracked if you have prepared well for Jee advanced.
Jee main syllabus contains a few topics that are not covered in jee advanced syllabus. But covering them is no big deal. Just study ncert books for these topics and you are done. Same goes for KVPY and state entrance exams.
The problem comes with olympiads. You qualify to appear for INPhO and INChO. These exams require indepth knowledge of the topics. These are subjective exams and are much above the traditional jee level. These exams test your knowledge and not your speed(compare it with jee which focuses mainly on speed).
You need to have a firm grip on concepts and an idea of how to "write" rather than "tick".
Around 40 students are declared as "pass" in INPhO and INChO each. If you clear these, then you are eligible to appear for olympiad camps held in Mumbai. Clearing the camps let's you participate in international olympiads!!
Here are some books that are useful.
Physics olympiad: IE irodov, past year papers.
Chemistry olympiad: past year papers.
This year(2013) because the INPhO paper was extremely tough, the cutoff was very low(31/60). The details can be found at www.olympiads.hbcse.tifr
Do appear for NSEP and NSEC.
Cracking the above competitive exams boosts your confidence.

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  1. bhaiyya, does not being able to clear incho/inpho/inmo means that one cannot clear jee advanced with a good rank?

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  2. Not at all. My friend Anand bhoraskar (air 3 in jee 2013) couldn't clear any of the nse's, forget about the ino's
    Same goes with pranjal khare(air 10).
    I guess they will kill me after reading this post :P

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    1. do u mean that olympiads have no connection with jee advanced...like clearing them does not approve u of a good rank in iitjee..

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    2. I dont mean what you are saying because in general those who do well in jee do well in olympiads.
      What I Mean to say is that olympiads are subjective exams and test your deep understanding skills without focusing on time boundation.
      But iitjee is an objective exam. You cant Compare the 2
      And yes: clearing olympiads does not approve u of a good rank in iitjee..
      Last day matters a lot for iitjee irrespective of your level of preparation
      I'll be writing a post on "d day" soon

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    4. thnx..nd waitng 4 the new post.

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  3. Hi AMAN,

    IS IT NECESSARY TO FINISH 12TH CLASS SYLLABUS BEFORE PREPARING FOR OLYMPIADS?

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    1. Maybe yes!
      Olympiads(second level) are not something that any tom dick or harry can crack.
      They need deep analysis of almost every aspect of syllabus.
      By the time I appeared for INPhO and INChO, my syllabus in both subjects was completed

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    2. Hi AMAN,

      Presently i am in class 11th with just 3 months left for the beginning of class 12th. How should i start preparing for Olympiads fulfilling the above condition?

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    3. Prepare your JEE syllabus well.
      Nothing more is needed for olympiads.
      Make sure that you are practicing ample of subjective problems from the above mentioned books.
      This will help you not only in olympiads but also in JEE.

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  4. if u don't mind,may i ask you what was ur score in BITSAT???

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    1. After asking some of your friends in IIT who qualified BITSAT, can you tell me if I need to do something else for it other than JEE preparation?

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  6. Hello Aman.....i want to appear for InPho....+i am a IITJEE aspirant for 2015.....though i began serious preparation from this year....please provide the necessary tips n strategy to crack InPho......n Thanks in advance....:)

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    1. This post contains all that I know about INPhO

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  7. Can u please tell me what was the cut-off in INChO 2013?

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    1. Thank u Aman...
      I thank u heartily for this wonderful blog of urs....
      U have created a really good platform for the new Jee aspirants
      to clear their doubts... Thank u once again for ur detailed explanations on how to prepare on each chapter in each subject and how to spend time wisely especially few days befr exam...

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  8. hi bhaiya ...did u see this year's inpho paper?? wt do u thnk abt the expected cutoff? is 31 a fair score fr a class 11 guy?

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    1. I haven't seen this year's paper.

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    2. Aman Bhai, can u please analyse this year's INPhO paper and guess what may be the expected cutoff?
      (I know that this qstn is inappropriate to ask but i am asking just for curiosity)

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    3. Well this is simply too difficult

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    4. R u talkin about the paper or guessing the cutoff??? :-o

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    5. i hope its abt the paper :)

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    6. ofcourse.
      I don't have the paper.
      Moreover, I am also a student just like you.
      So I don't think I can really "guess" the cutoff.

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  10. Hello Aman, can u pleaz tel me wen d KVPY final results wud be announcd???

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  11. Hello aman, what do you think will be the cutoff for incho this year... ??

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    1. Got my performance card today .. got 53.5/98 .. Do i stand a chance?

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    2. Yeah most probably.
      Last year the cutoff was 49/97.
      I don't know about this year's paper. If it was of almost same toughness as last year, then congos you have made it (Y)

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    3. Aman , thanks a lot i made the cut.. cutoff was 52/98... can you give me a detailed advice on how to prepare for the chemistry ocsc .. and how to manage jee studies along with it. ... i somehow want to crack ocsc and get into the indian team as then i will have plenty of scope to apply for foreign institues if i get to participate in icho..

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    4. Congratulations!!!!
      See, I cannot tell you much about it because I didn't attend the camp.
      But what you should do is to check the complete syllabus. It will be huuuuuuuuuge and you will see that there are a lot of topics that you haven't even heard of.
      Then you will realize that there is a part called biochemistry about which probably you have read practically nothing. So, you will have to prepare bits of it. Then, you will have to cover spectrometry (Francis carrey is a good book for this).
      When I qualified for Chemistry ocsc, this is what I did but in the end, I didn't go to the camps.

      Advice : At once you will be fascinated by : "INChO qualified - Camps - Mumbai". But take your time and think about it. Last year around 40 people got qualified for the camp but only 20 attended because other 20 didn't want to compromise with JEE. So, take your decision wisely. If you can manage the 2, then go for it!
      All the best

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    5. But the camp is after jee .. so all the 40 people are surely going to attend it

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    6. haa can you give much more detailed info about how and what to study .. like you told biochemistry ans spectrocopy and... yaa i am going to go for it

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  12. ANY STUDENT GET THE PERFORMANCE CARD PL SHARE THEIR NUMBER

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    1. Yeah! you all should share your performances here.

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    2. Well that was my score last year.
      PS : my friend Parth Shah(AIR 29 in JEE 2013) scored around 56 (maybe 58, I don't remember) and he got a Gold medal at International Chemistry olympiad too!

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  13. my one frnd securing 57.5 I think its safe score to qualify

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  14. What do you think would be the cut off for inpho 2014? What is the trend of marks this year?

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  15. I have got 52 in INChO and 45.5 in INPhO.
    Do I have any chance?

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    1. See, last year paper was extremely tough (It was one of the toughest INPhO paper) so the cutoff was as low as 31. But usually this is not the case. The cutoff is above 40 (maybe around 45). So, I really can't say anything.
      But for INChO, I think you should qualify easily (again, keep your expectations low)

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  16. how students participate in asian physics olompoids

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  17. I know that It will be extremely tough on the students side itself but can a 9'th std student participate in such olympiads?

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  18. INPhO 42/75 INAO 44/100 Any Chance?
    My friends are at :
    INPhO : 31 32.2 36 48
    INAO : 19 42.5 35 47 48

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    1. My score in INAO is 51
      My friends are at: 58, 42.5, 36.5
      What's my chances?

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  19. OH was the INPhO paper of 75 marks ?
    If yes, then I guess cutoff must be above 40-45.

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  20. What cut off do you expect for INAO ? This year's paper was fully subjective.

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  21. upto my view expected cutoff INCHO is 50-52 and INPho is 43-45

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    1. Completely agree Sanjay.. And just hope its true :)

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  22. I never appeared for NSEA/INAO

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  23. What is the syllabus for OCSC camp for Chemistry....?

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  24. Congratulations to all those who cleared the second level.
    For syllabus, refer www.olympiads.hbcse.tifr

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  25. What kind of practicals are organized in the ocsc for Chemistry and how can I prepare for them?

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    1. and any suggested materials for theory?

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  28. hey..i wanted to ask that after we qualify these olympiads at national level,is it necessary to attend the camps?because by doing that ,won't we be wasting a lot of time..??..as every minute counts during JEE preps..
    is it like if we don't attend the camps we wont be able to perform well in the final international olympiad?

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    1. No it's not at all necessary to attend the camps.
      Let me explain my scenario.
      I cleared INPhO and INChO and due to JEE (+ other medical reasons), I didn't attend both the camps

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  29. Since you mentioned that NSECs and INPhO & INChO....these are mainly subjective examinations checking our understanding of the subject:
    1)Do the past year JEE subjective questions help in INPhO & INChO?
    2)Can you say anything about weightage of topics in the mentioned exams?(like it is done in JEE)
    3)I scrolled through the post n found something called 'BioChemistry'.Is it in NSEC & INChO syllabus?

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  30. Hello Sir!!
    I've found all of your articles quite useful and motivative for students including me.
    I just wanted you to, if possible, describe in detail about the hardwork and efforts that must be put into, in order to crack NSEs, because olympiads require more stamina and in-depth knowledge.

    Also please tell me how much hours must be spent for the subject of physics in order to crack NSEP. Do I need to put extra efforts for these exams or is it that preparation for olympiads and IIT-JEE go hand in hand?

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    1. To crack NSEs - You simply don't need "any" extra efforts.
      At least, I never solve even a single problem of NSE
      I never studied for olympiads
      I prepared only and only for iitjee 2013 (which later became jee advanced 2013)
      my target was an under 100 rank in jee and nothing else
      I sat for NSEP - cracked it , sat for NSEC - cracked.
      For INPhO and INChO, i had to do special preparations - like writing the answers in a clear readable manner etc.

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  31. HEY Buddy please can u tell me what to do when we get extremely demotivated ...since i never had problems in
    in cracking the solutions of questions in physics and maths but till late since my coaching teacher changed for 2 months ...i could not do well in my tests since november..and im still trying to figure out what to do..i hav lost total confidence in myself...also i panic a lot if i dont get a question...my relatives and teachers hav a lot of expectations from me...so i dont want to break their hearts...pls i need help..immediately....

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  32. hi aman
    should we use reference that are on the hbcse such as functional equations christian for analytical chemistry lehninger principle for biochemistry and ebbing

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  33. can u suggest some books for nsec,nsep and rmo

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  34. I have given my 10th board exams how can I apply for these exams and when

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  35. I am not sure of cracking the NSEs and KVPY as i began my serious preparation for IIT JEE 2015 this July..what do u say should i sit for the exams?

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  36. What will be the cutoff of nsec 2014

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  37. what will be the cut off of nsep 2014 from maharashtra

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  38. What will be nsec cutoff 2014 in delhi pls tell I really wanna qualify
    Is 175 good enough a score. What is your score Abhi

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  39. expecting above 50 in inpho and incho. is there any chance for ocsc for me?

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  40. hi Aman, what could be the cutoff for inpho 2015 and incho 2015?

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  41. How was 2015 inpho compared to other inpho's?

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    1. i think it was tougher than all other inphos(questions 2 and 3). what do you think?

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  42. what will be the cutoff for inpho and incho 2015?

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  43. This year's Inpho was tough, I'd say. IMHO, I think it was doable, so cutoff might be around 60-65...

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    1. how much marks are you expecting?

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    2. How much are you expecting?

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    3. around 50 in inpho and incho

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  44. How many people are expected to be taken for the camp as IPhO is in India this year(hence 2 teams), and hence what can be the cut off(revised)?

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    1. how much marks do you think you would get?

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    2. who said that there will be 2 teams for India?

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  45. I expect around 50. And it is said in the official site itself(2 teams).

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    1. could you give me the link to the page where it is mentioned(2 teams)

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    2. could you give me the link to the page where it is mentioned(2 teams)

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  46. Did anybody get their INAO performance card?

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    1. I have got my performance card today.My score is 46.5 .What is your score?Do you have any idea about cut off?

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    2. is the answer to q-6(c) in inpho frozen solution correct?

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    3. I got 49.5 in inpho . just received my performance card.Is there a chance??

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  48. i got 49.5 in inpho . just received my performance card. Is there any chance of selection?

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  49. i got a 39.5.guess 49.5 is a very good score. ATB

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  50. i got 68 in inpho, out of 100, what is the likely cutoff this year?

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  51. i got 58 in incho are there any chances?

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  52. I am getting 50.5 in InChO is there any chance?

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  53. I am on the verge of dropping a year.What should be my strategy for preparation of IITJEE to get a rank within top 1000?

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  54. If we clear NSEC and are not able to clear INCHO same year, do we have to appear for NSEC again next year?

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    1. Check their website, I have no idea

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  55. Hi Aman, what books do you suggest for organic chemistry for the InChO? Especially for dealing with the synthesis questions. Thanks.

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  56. how do you get time to all these posts and answer all our doubt???wht is ur typing speed??i always get tired of reading all you posts!!anyways,i am dedicated very much to crack iit with a very good rank and i will try to get better rank than you ;-)

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    1. Thank you
      And all the best. I wish you perform better than me :)

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  57. what is the price of lg wade book?i searched amazon and was shocked to see it was more than 23000!!how is the hell possible?!plz provide link.i will be grateful to you....

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    1. Check out the books section on the blog and I have added a link to all the books I suggest (with appripriate editions that are recommended)

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  58. Can you just list the name of the examinations which you had attempted in class 11 and also in 12

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  59. Currently I am in class 11 . is there any scope of clearing NSEA and NSEP without going through the course of 12 th?

    + Aman, In which class did you clear these exams?

    Thanks in advance.

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  61. Hi Aman,
    What is the level of NSEP and NSEc? I mean can I practice from NCERT and maybe HC Verma and appear for these? Of course, I will be doing the practice papers also. Please guide. I am asking this because some questions of NSEs are easy while some are difficult.

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  62. can you suggest some books which are oriented only for nsep(mainly for problems )

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  63. Hello bro, can u please tell me which portion of chemistry is important for nsec?

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  64. What is the expected cutoff for NSEP and NSEC 2015 from Maharashtra?

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  65. 69 for nsep !! too low.do not think it will so low.question paper was at per last year's. Last year cut off for maharashtra was 118.
    what is the expected highest marks for nsep and nsec ?

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  66. Dear Aman Sir,
    Please tell me how to prepare for inpho and incho within these two months gap? which book should follow. please suggest how to distribute study time for board preparation, jee preparation and ino's preparation. Board exam is also in the corner . It will start from mid feb. Please guide.

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  67. What could be the cutoff for maharashtra? I'm getting 130 in NSEP.

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  68. What could be the cutoff for maharashtra? I'm getting 130 in NSEP.

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    1. how much u are getting after corrected answer key?

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    2. Around 126.have I chances?

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    1. cut off will dip to 90 after deleting questions according to corrected answer key

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  73. Wht will b the cut off for Inao junior 2016

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  74. did anyone recieve ur scorecard ?
    please post your marks here

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  75. what is the expected cutoff for inpho and inao 2016??

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  76. Everyone pls visit aops website there is alot of discussions there and please post ur marks also

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  77. i am studying in class 11 . can anyone tell me the InChO expected cut off for this year?

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  78. i am studying in class 11 . can anyone tell me the InChO expected cut off for this year?

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  79. How much u are getting?

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  80. Hello Aman bhaiya,I am in class10 ,how can qualify nsec ?

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  81. Hello Aman bhaiya,I am in class10 ,how can qualify nsec ?

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  82. what is the cutoff for nsep(first stage)?

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  83. Hey Aman, I am a student of class 11 and want to qualify NSEC and NSEP how should i prepare for the same?

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  84. should one do all the questions in irodpv before appearing in inpho ???

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